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Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.11.22 15:37:00 - [1] Originally by: Utemetsu I spoke with LaVista Vista, a member of Ebank, about the announcement. Listen to it here. Shameless plug is shameless :D GJ mate! Vote Z0D For CSM
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.11.23 20:40:00 - [2] I really had faith in Ebank up untill this day :( Accusing its clients of fraud and rmt, every single client is a suspect. I agree with TS, its just an excuse to take peoples ISK. Its obvious, what about people taking a break? Cosmo addressed this, but it was never answered. People now have to prove to ebank that they arent rmting and commiting fraud.... GG.... I know it isnt so, but it just looks like an excuse to scam real clients, out of their hard earned ISK! Vote Z0D For CSM
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.11.23 20:48:00 - [3] Originally by: SencneS Edited by: SencneS on 23/11/2009 20:45:00 Originally by: Ji Sama what about people taking a break? Cosmo addressed this, but it was never answered. It was by me, check on the 4th page I think. Edit:- http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1218519&page=4#112 Looking for input to prevent idle ISK from getting cleared off accounts.. I read you attempt to answer this, and you have done the best job so far. Though it is not your job to investigate RMT. period! You reversed the burden of proof, people have to prove now that they arent rmting and defrauding you, it was never a problem before, you KNEW people opened more accounts to get around the 6B limit, even ebank staff used this "workaround" Vote Z0D For CSM
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.11.23 21:24:00 - [4] Originally by: Dzil No matter how Ebank tries to spin it, by writing off accounts that refuse to provide it with their limited API key, ebank will NOT achieve its stated goal of returning customers account balances in full. What's the difference between returning 50% to all customers, or 100% to half of your customers? It just becomes a selective scam at that point, instead of a failed business. You're selecting to return money only to those that vouch faith for you. Sound familiar? It should: that's the exact play LRN/YGR used. Anyone here look back on that business thinking they should invest again? This tbh. Vote Z0D For CSM
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.11.23 23:30:00 - [5] Ah ha, but they not only have to hold out, they also have to give you their api keys, first born child and prove that they have not been rmting or even thinking of defrauding you. Vote Z0D For CSM
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.11.24 10:53:00 - [6] Edited by: Ji Sama on 24/11/2009 10:54:22 My problem is because its mandatory in regards to the API. You have changed horses midstream. I understand why you are doing it, i just disagree with you in doing it. You can keep the ISK i have in your accounts, the whole 600K, all of them, take it i say! OMFG; I was invaded by a engrish spelling demon! Vote Z0D For CSM
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.11.24 11:01:00 - [7] Well i have the solution to the problem, to show some good faith; the ebank staff will give their own personall api keys, of all their accounts, to every single ebank client, that give them thier api. Something for something.... Then they can prove to the ebank clients, that they arent rmting or trying to defraud. Or have known scammer alts. Vote Z0D For CSM
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.11.24 16:56:00 - [8] Originally by: SencneS Ji Sama - Be careful what you ask for because I WOULD release my API in exchange for your API. I can't speak for others but I have nothing to hide, like I said before, I'm enlightened enough to know anonymity will only get you so far. In order to go that next step you HAVE to become transparent. All of MD wants IPO/Bonds/CEO and their business to be as Transparent as possible. Why shouldn't EBANK seek the same transparency from customers when the business EBANK does is directly affected by those customers? I dont know why i should be carefull, everyone but my mother have my api! But i do think it would be a nice show of faith, make your API's public. It show you have nothing to hide, and per the Lvv comment, it is only people who have something to hid that wont share thier api.. @RAY Ray i understand what you are doing, i really do. But you fail to adress the most important question imo. Would you have stood for this, if you where on the client side? If anyone else did this with their business, they would be lynched. Freezing payments for 6 mths, changing the TOS, selective payouts etc etc. Vote Z0D For CSM
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.11.24 17:14:00 - [9] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Ji Sama Would you have stood for this, if you where on the client side? I am on the client side and I was the first person to provide my Limited API Key. Providing you API to yourself isnt the same. But fair enough, ill step down, and stop trolling.. Vote Z0D For CSM
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.11.24 18:51:00 - [10] Edited by: Ji Sama on 24/11/2009 18:52:31 Originally by: SetrakDark Originally by: Kalrand I think you are quite wrong about this. lol no kidding. The "everyone will complain no matter what, so all complaints are equally invalid" argument is stillborn. This ^^ Originally by: SencneS Originally by: Kalrand I think you are quite wrong about this. Small problem is we'll never know, but given the level of hostility people throw at EBANK, I would have taken a bet that if we had lead with that first it would have been 11 pages of whines and trolls as well. That post I just made wouldn't be that it would be "We could have asked for Limited API, but I'm sure everyone would feel that was too much as well!" You see the problem. I admit 0.10 ISK is not much, but in a crowd of people all hanging out to slam EBANK against the wall, even the littlest pebble of information is all that is needed to warrant a flame suit :) Yea because we are all in here to see Ebank fail, that would really help us here in the secondary market.. I think you are tired... Step down for today, you did a good job! The best so far, from any ebank staff! Vote Z0D For CSM

Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.11.24 19:01:00 - [11] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 Just wanted to pop in and say hello to everyone. gives ac155 the /finger Vote Z0D For CSM
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.11.24 20:25:00 - [12] Originally by: SentryRaven Originally by: Katiana Swan Originally by: SentryRaven So after 12 pages, people are still debating over something that is not negotiable? Respect.... I recommend you never start a business in real life or even work in any customer/client facing environment. Nah, it's fine. I am a BofH in RL. No problem whatsoever... :) Ha, i am a HotBL IRL, and normally i play scout/rikki and pawn pubs! Vote Z0D For CSM
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.11.24 20:35:00 - [13] Helm of the Black Legion aka. HotBL Vote Z0D For CSM
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.11.28 17:51:00 - [14] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Breaker77 I think he is asking that if he knew of someone that owed EBank ISK (loan, ect...) what information would the BoD at EBank reveal to get it paid back (API, ect...). I guess I'm being stupid, but I still don't understand the question? i wont understand that you dont understand why you cant understand the question Vote Z0D For CSM
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.12.28 18:08:00 - [15] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 Originally by: Kalrand Originally by: Dzil likewise anyone "scamming" ebank henceforth being granted amnesty. Does ray's word that someone defaulted on an obligation to ebank mean they are a scammer in the eyes of the general public at this point? If a Goon falls in the forest, does it make a sound? Is that a rhetorical question?
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.12.29 08:05:00 - [16] Actually the majority agrees, that what Kwint did was right. Where we disagree; is with his right to keep the excess 3B. I can understand that he did it, but I cannot condone it. Imo, Ray forced Kwint in this matter, not the other way around. It was a huge mistake, to smack talk him in public and trying to make him look a fool. It could have been resolved much more professionally. Now the combined effort of the Ebank staff, cannot ruin the reputation of Kwint. Even though you are trying real hard, to make him look the like the sinner and agitator. Kwint did what was within his right, and what any logical thinking venture owner would do. Almost all agree with this. I think you are to personally attached to Ebank, to detach yourself emotionally from this venture. You seem to read, what you want to read, and ignore what you dont like to read. Thats human, no one can blame you for doing this. You do get 5 stars in all this EBank drama, for being the only Ebank member taking the time to explain your position!
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.12.29 11:25:00 - [17] Originally by: Varo Jan Originally by: Ji Sama I feel it is very important for the market that Ebank makes it out of this, but not at any cost. EBank is an irrelevance as far as the market is concerned. It makes no difference whether it resurfaces or continues to sink. I beg to differ. While the market economy, can sustain the loss of Ebank easily, that is not my point. My point is, that the secondary market, is primarily based on trust, when our largest institution breaks this trust, it hurts everyone doing legit business on the market.
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.12.29 12:36:00 - [18] Originally by: Varo Jan Originally by: Ji Sama I beg to differ. My point is that the secondary market is primarily based on trust. When our largest institution breaks this trust, it hurts everyone doing legit business on the market. I accept that when the news broke that EBank was a sham run by the corrupt and the incompetent, the secondary market was hurt - and has yet to recover fully. However, it is recovering without EBank and will recover fully whether or not EBank resurfaces legitimately. Besides, EBank will never regain the trust of the secondary market. Bottom line - the market doesn¦t need EBank any more. It does need reputable institutions. well, for what its worth I agree with you!
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.12.29 20:09:00 - [19] Thank you for your answer Sencnes! I just think we have to agree to disagree :D You have valid arguments!

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